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Written on: Wed Jan  4, '12 12:03 am
Thenixon
Topic creator
registered since: 03.01.2012
Posts: 3
So I hiked the Appalachian Trail this year, and I'm still in my post-hike funk, but some random people at a New Years party told me about this trail. I'm frankly surprised that this isn't a more active and popular forum, from the looks of it the trail itself is pretty awesome. I think I'll ski the CT this winter, if we ever get snow (northern MA here), but I want to consult with the experts on gear. My pre-AT explorations of whiteblaze.org were helpful, so here i am... The gear list is from here.

*Map and compass

Really? That's a lot of maps. Are the markings that bad? I need a guidebook. is there one?

* Headlamp or flashlight, with spare batteries

ok, i have a duracell one. it does the job.

*Back-country skis, boots and bindings
I have some Fischer S-Bound 78's with nice big pockets of scale.... Salomon Xadv 8 boots, and their manual backcountry binding. I'm going to with them

*Poles with baskets

I picked some Fischer OTX poles with nice baskets... short onthe frontside, long and powder-catchy on the back.

*Warm boots

hell, my ski boots are probably warm, but I'd like to take them off for camp. need light boot suggestions.

*Backpack
All of the skiing-specific backpacks I saw were topping at 40l capacity. I did the AT with a 58l pack, but spacew got tight when the cold weather made me get more clothes in the fall. but I'll need to latch my skis on to the thing in town.

*Extra Food

I know the food drill. It will be worse in winter. I don't know exactly how far it is between towns on this trail. need guidebook.

* Water bottles and thermos

Thermos sounds stupid, but how do you stop water from freezing? Or do you just not even try and draw from the unlimited frozen water around you, if you need a sip.

* A range of ski waxes or klisters, cork, and scraper

Got some waxless skis, looks like i saved myself several pounds of 'gear'. What about a set of skins for big climbs?

*Climbing skins

Oh, here it is... never used these things racing in highschool. need opinions.

*Maxi-glide if your skis are no-wax

I have some F4 and a cork in what appears to be an Old Spice container.

* Anything you would need to fix your own skis: spare ski tip, duct tape, binding parts, etc.

this is an interesting section. i would never carry much in the way of 'just in case' parts... but duct tape is going along.

* Warm clothes-lots of layers and outer wind shell (preferably water resistant)

Most important bit. Frankly I think I may have most of it already from the AT. lightweight options and recognition that goretex isn't waterproof. I have lots of wool. need outer layer suggestions.

Extra socks

How many extra socks? These are critical.

*Extra pair of mittens / gloves

Meh. If one pair got wet, the next will too. One extra pair for camp. Not more than two.

* Extra hat, facemask / balaclava

I suppose so. Almost brought one for the AT. Saving heat is saving food.

*First aid kit with moleskin for blisters

Nope. Duct tape and antibiotic ointment. Never used anything else on 2180 miles of AT, and it'll be cold.

*Waterproof Matches &/or Firestarter

Seriously? birch bark is free. One tiny lighter will do it for ages.

Chemical hand warmers
Packets of iron oxide and charcoal? For generating subcritical heat? That weight is wasted.

* Pocket knife

Tiny one, yea.

*Goggles / sunglasses

I guess maybe? I don't know for snowblind... Sell me on your favorites.

*Whistle

That's not going to help. anyone. ever.

*Sunscreen / Lip Balm

Probably. See also: sunglasses. I kind of feel like this stuff is a sham. but then i get peely lips and facial sunburn, and regret it.

*Space blanket

I don't plan on emergencies. I'll be camping, and will need a sleeping bag. Space blanket might make a good footprint.

*Any medications you would need in a 24-hour period

None. Check.

*Toilet paper (optional, snow works too!)

Ouch. I'll bring TP


Noticeable omissions:

Tent - Something double-walled? I haven't a clue with winter tents... Can my superlight REI Quarter Dome 2 do the trick? It's mostly mesh under the fly...

pad - my neo-air should do. kinda non-negotiable.

cooking system - i'll forego this. didn't need it on the AT.snacks 24/7.

Water Purification: I got addicted to the MSR Hyperflow, which is no good for winter - the filter membrane can't take freezing. I know chemical purifications take a long ass time in the cold, a pump suggestion would help.






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Written on: Wed Jan  4, '12  5:09 am
Lynn Fisher
registered since: 14.11.2007
Posts: 67
Hi! Your analysis of the recommended gear list is pretty funny, and great!
I don't know of too many skiers (read: I know none personally) who have camped on the trail. In fact I think camping isn't allowed on a good portion of it. I think when Kroka does a self-supporting through-ski, they pull off and camp in yards/field/etc. with permission... I'm going to make sure some others who know more take a look at your post and respond more helpfully.
Most of the few dozen of us who have skied the entire trail have slept in beds at night. Yeah, sorry, that's cushy but it still takes some moxie to get out there everyday in all weather and keep skiing.
Your skis sound fine. There are a few very steep sections for which climbing skins save a tremendous amount of effort, especially in deep snow. You can tell where those sections are from the guidebook (yes it does exist, see "Store" link). A good compromise is half-skins, or "kicker-skins" and I think a strong skier could make those work.
I definitely bring a thermos of tea and milk for long days. A water bottle in a sock stays liquid for the day, as has my camel-back. Gotta be sure to clear the tube though after taking a drink.
You should definitely keep us posted if you go for it!
Lynn
Written on: Wed Jan  4, '12  8:09 am
Thenixon
Topic creator
registered since: 03.01.2012
Posts: 3
"Lynn Fisher" wrote:
In fact I think camping isn't allowed on a good portion of it.


Alright, thanks for pointing this out. I found a pdf elsewhere that summarizes the camping options for each section, but this goes a long way towards explaining why there aren't thousands of people doing this each year. It will be a pretty expensive trip if I need to hit a B&B every night.

Link for the interested: http://www.catamounttrail.org/fileadmin/files/documents/Catamount%20Trail%20Winter%20Camping.pdf

Written on: Wed Jan  4, '12 11:32 am
sambartlett
registered since: 11.11.2007
Posts: 68
Wow, that's a lot of questions! Better to ask them now than in the deep woods, deep snow (I hope) in the deep dark.
I've skied the whole CT and thought about doing it as camping tour, and done some winter camping, so here are some of my thoughts on your questions: (also see the thread
http://www.catamounttrail.org/forums/posts/trips/skiing_the_entire_ct_in_big_sections_this_winter/

Map and compass: Yes! Esp the maps, just bring the guidebook. In some spots, we are not allowed to put blazes, the roadwalks are not always blazed, it is easy to miss a turn, and blazes get taken down or fall down. And you'll need to get out to towns, so you need maps for that anyway. Compass maybe not, if you are good at maps.

Warm boots: You'll probably want something other than your ski boots for hiking/hitching into town, and for around camp.

Backpack: Good luck with this. Many long tourers use sleds of some sort. I often think, as I'm skiing a tricky part of the CT, what would this be like with a pack or a sled?
A full winter pack gets your CG way up and makes falling and getting up really hard. A sled is cumbersome and reduces your mobility as well, but I think I'd opt for a sled, and give it some trial runs before I headed north.

Food/towns: Good luck here too. The old village store is fading fast. You will often have to go pretty far out of your way to find much more than chips and beer. (But maybe that's enough?)

Water/Thermos: Dehydration is a big problem in the winter. I've never found eating snow to be very satisfying and it can be polluted (deer droppings carry giardia) too. I think the UV pen might be the best bet, but you'll probably want hot water for warmth too, for psychological reasons even if you don't believe it will warm you
directly. I've usually managed to keep my camelback going, but I start it with hot tap water and it can still freeze on a very cold day. Plastic bottles filled with hot water can be nice to keep in your pockets around camp to warm your hands, esp if you eschew the chemical packets.
If you use a pump, make sure the filter, etc. can be drained well enough to keep from freezing.

Skins: Yes! Nearly all of the CT can be done w/o skins if you have the exact right wax and/or are a very good climber. But not all of it and you can't sidestep/ herringbone it either,
some parts are too narrow. And with a big pack or a sled, you ain't climbing alot of the 'easier' parts either w/o skins. You might even keep them on for the steeper downhills, esp with a sled.

Repair/just in case: Since you don't have to worry about being benighted,
you can skimp on this and just hike to a road if you break something.
With a heavy pack you are much more likely to break a pole or ski, and the postholing will be harder too. We get broken poles a lot on tours, sometimes boots or bindings, rarely skis.

Socks/mittens/clothes: Have you done winter camping? The AT in the fall is not the
same as being out in a wet snowfall all day, being soaked to the skin and chilled to the bone, and then having to make camp as the temps plummet. You'll wish you had a complete set of dry clothes at that point.

Whistle: Definitely useful in a group situation, not so much if solo. I'd bring SPOT, cell phone coverage is iffy along the trail. Things can get critical in a hurry in the winter.

Tent: A three-season tent usually won't hold up under a deep wet snow. Most of the time you can probably get away with a three-season, esp if it is well ventilated, but heavy snow could collapse/crush it.

All that said, go for it, and keep us posted if you go. I've thought about doing it,
seems that multi-section long days would be the way to go, but, esp with pack or
sled, don't count on doing even one day if you are solo and breaking trail in deep
snow. If you do some of the southern section, let me know, I might keep you
company for a day or two.
Sam
Written on: Wed Jan  4, '12 11:38 pm
Thenixon
Topic creator
registered since: 03.01.2012
Posts: 3
"sambartlett" wrote:

Wow, that's a lot of questions! Better to ask them now than in the deep woods, deep snow (I hope) in the deep dark.
I've skied the whole CT and thought about doing it as camping tour, and done some winter camping, so here are some of my thoughts on your questions: (also see the thread
http://www.catamounttrail.org/forums/posts/trips/skiing_the_entire_ct_in_big_sections_this_winter/

Map and compass: Yes! Esp the maps, just bring the guidebook. In some spots, we are not allowed to put blazes, the roadwalks are not always blazed, it is easy to miss a turn, and blazes get taken down or fall down. And you'll need to get out to towns, so you need maps for that anyway. Compass maybe not, if you are good at maps.

Warm boots: You'll probably want something other than your ski boots for hiking/hitching into town, and for around camp.

Backpack: Good luck with this. Many long tourers use sleds of some sort. I often think, as I'm skiing a tricky part of the CT, what would this be like with a pack or a sled?
A full winter pack gets your CG way up and makes falling and getting up really hard. A sled is cumbersome and reduces your mobility as well, but I think I'd opt for a sled, and give it some trial runs before I headed north.

Food/towns: Good luck here too. The old village store is fading fast. You will often have to go pretty far out of your way to find much more than chips and beer. (But maybe that's enough?)

Water/Thermos: Dehydration is a big problem in the winter. I've never found eating snow to be very satisfying and it can be polluted (deer droppings carry giardia) too. I think the UV pen might be the best bet, but you'll probably want hot water for warmth too, for psychological reasons even if you don't believe it will warm you
directly. I've usually managed to keep my camelback going, but I start it with hot tap water and it can still freeze on a very cold day. Plastic bottles filled with hot water can be nice to keep in your pockets around camp to warm your hands, esp if you eschew the chemical packets.
If you use a pump, make sure the filter, etc. can be drained well enough to keep from freezing.

Skins: Yes! Nearly all of the CT can be done w/o skins if you have the exact right wax and/or are a very good climber. But not all of it and you can't sidestep/ herringbone it either,
some parts are too narrow. And with a big pack or a sled, you ain't climbing alot of the 'easier' parts either w/o skins. You might even keep them on for the steeper downhills, esp with a sled.

Repair/just in case: Since you don't have to worry about being benighted,
you can skimp on this and just hike to a road if you break something.
With a heavy pack you are much more likely to break a pole or ski, and the postholing will be harder too. We get broken poles a lot on tours, sometimes boots or bindings, rarely skis.

Socks/mittens/clothes: Have you done winter camping? The AT in the fall is not the
same as being out in a wet snowfall all day, being soaked to the skin and chilled to the bone, and then having to make camp as the temps plummet. You'll wish you had a complete set of dry clothes at that point.

Whistle: Definitely useful in a group situation, not so much if solo. I'd bring SPOT, cell phone coverage is iffy along the trail. Things can get critical in a hurry in the winter.

Tent: A three-season tent usually won't hold up under a deep wet snow. Most of the time you can probably get away with a three-season, esp if it is well ventilated, but heavy snow could collapse/crush it.

All that said, go for it, and keep us posted if you go. I've thought about doing it,
seems that multi-section long days would be the way to go, but, esp with pack or
sled, don't count on doing even one day if you are solo and breaking trail in deep
snow. If you do some of the southern section, let me know, I might keep you
company for a day or two.
Sam


Thank you again for the reply, this forum seemed inactive, but veterans are helping me! If we ever get some snow I'll ski to your house and leave some cookies or something.
Written on: Sun Jan  8, '12  6:25 pm
Peaks
registered since: 08.01.2008
Posts: 46
As someone who has both thru-hiked the AT, and skied end to end, let me comment.

1. Items like map and compass are always on the lists of 10 essentials. It's irresponsible to hike or backcountry ski without them.

2. Overnight: The Catamount Trail is predominately a day use trail Parts are on private land, and some landowners prohibit overnight camping.